Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Hotels and Parking

We plan to travel to Paris in late June with my husband, two children (9 and 11) and my mother. We are looking for a reasonable hotel. We will be renting a car in Germany and plan on driving to Paris for just a few days. Would it be more sensible to book a hotel in the suburbs of Paris and have a place to park the rental car and then take the public transportation into Paris, or are there hotels in Paris that accomodate with reasonable parking rates? Suggestions for hotels would be appreciated!!




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I would not recommend driving in Paris proper: road signs / names are difficult to see, and parking is very expensive.





You will not need the car while in Paris, so I%26#39;d consider parking outside the city and travelling in by train to a central hotel. It%26#39;s much better to stay in the city than in the suburbs. If you%26#39;re coming in from Germany then look in the area around Chessy /Marne la Vallee, for parking.





www.vincipark.com is a great site. Click onthe blue %26#39;P%26#39; at the bottom right, then %26#39;En Ile de France%26#39; then the area %26#39;77%26#39; and then Chessy. This is a huge parking area near Disneyland from where it%26#39;s an easy direct 45 minute train journey into central Paris. Parking will cost EUR10 per 24hours.





There are hundreds of hotels within Paris proper, if you post details of your chosen area, and budget, it will help in making suggestions for you.




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I dont think you will be happy staying in the burbs. You just dont get to experience Paris that way and the commute is a hassle. Some of the larger chain hotels will have parking. Some smaller ones may also although I dont know of a specific one. Maybe someone else will jump in on that. You can also park the car in one of the many many underground secure parking lots about the city. You will invariably be able to find one within a few blocks of your hotel. To give you a price example, the parking at St Suplice is 25 euros for day and has a 3 day price of 52 euros and 14 euros for each additional day. I dont know if that allows in / out or if you have to just park the car and leave it.




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Try searching the forum with %26quot;parking%26quot; using the text field in the upper right part of the screen, I had the same problem, made some research and you will find my answer somewhere in the past along with others...





Good luck!




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Could you return the rental car?



Like the other posters, I do not recommend staying in the suburbs unless they are Neuilly, Saint Mande, Levallois etc. And you will have to pay for parking there too.



Driving into Paris is not that difficult if you are used to driving in big cities.You have to do a mapquest search, find your %26quot;porte de Paris%26quot; and follow the signs that are pretty good at giving general directions.



If you come from Germany you will be entering near Bercy and you have to follow the Seine and rue de Rivoli.



I use the parking under the Madeleine church when needed. It is also there that I rent a car at Avis.



Some hotels I know in that area are:



Hotel de l%26#39;Arcade on rue de l%26#39;Arcade, Hotel Folkestone on rue Castellane, Hotel Queen Mary on rue Greffuhle. This is the right bank and posters tend to prefer the left bank with Saint Germain and Quartier latin. I find my area to be very practical for public transportation and easy as a starting point to walk to Louvre, Champs Elysees, Opera, Department stores etc. It also has many restaurants and cafes even though it is definitely quieter at night than the left bank (that you can reach easily by using bus 21, 27, 95 or metro line 12, exit rue du Bac, Sevre Babylone, Rennes, Notre Dame des Champs etc.




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Thanks for the link to Vinci Park, Kebabs! This is a great resource for those of us planning to drive to Paris:



http://www.vincipark.com/appli/wvncprk/wvncprkimp.nsf/(wv3villeframe)/Chessy?OpenDocument%26amp;i





To find the train into Paris, go to:



http://ratp.fr/



then click on %26quot;Plan Interactiv%26quot; on the upper left of the page (turn off your popup blocker), then click the %26quot;RER%26quot; box to see the lines, take the red %26quot;A%26quot; line into Paris.





ratp.fr also has the bus/metro plans as well.





Cheers,



Colin




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Transportation from CDG

What is the best way to get from CDG airport to the latin quarter? Is there a train that runs there, or is it better to take a cab or a shuttle? Thank you




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There are many ways to get from CDG to the Latin Quarter.



I take a taxi as it is the fastest, most comfortable and



direct. No luggage to haul around and right to my



front door. The downside is the cost but after a long



and tiring flight it is worth every (franc) euro !




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www.parishuttle.com





www.beeshuttle.com






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From Terminal 2 at CDG follow the signs to the RER station. Buy your ticket before boarding the train, approx 8 Euro. Keep your ticket as you will need it to leave the RER system at the end of your trip. (If you arrive at Terminal 1 you will need to take an airport shuttle for the short ride to the RER station. If you arrive at Terminal 3, you can walk the short distance to the station.)



You want to take the train to St-Michel-Notre-Dame. Although all trains will take you there, express trains will get you there faster. If you look at the illuminated destination boards the express trains will be the ones with only a few stations lit. The trip will take about 35 minutes. When you emerge from the St-Michel station you will be on the front doorstep of the Latin Quarter.



Unless you are over-packed, this is easy and cheap




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Definitely take the RER - easy, fast, inexpensive, and perfect for the Latin Quarter. There are 2 Latin Quarter RER stops -- Place St. Michel and Luxembourg. Which is best depends on where exactly your hotel is.




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Ski in Grenoble

My daughter will be studying at the Pierre Mendes Univ,Grenoble starting in Jan. I would like her to fly to Grenoble from Paris as she will have a big bag and skiis. I understand that the closest airport is Lyon and there is direct train from Lyon airport to Grenoble. I would like to confirm all of this.





Also, I would like to visit her for a ski week and wondered if you could recommend skiing areas, distance, as well as accomodation. I think I would prefer to stay downtown so I can



visit with her in the evenings.



Over the past few years, how late has one been able to ski in Grenoble. Is late March too late? Thanks




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Hello,





From Paris to Grenoble take the train rather than a flight. It%26#39;s only 3 hours by train, and you can find direct one.



From Lyon%26#39;s airport to Grenoble take the bus Satobus, one every hour, it%26#39;s cheap and it%26#39;s ok.





For the ski the only very very close skiresort is Chamrousse, but in march not sure to find some snow there, choose L%26#39;alpes du huez or les 2 Alpes, at least you can find snow there, other ski resort, smaller can be found around grenoble (in Vercors, or Chatreuse) after it%26#39;s just a matter of what kind of ski are you looking for.





Hope it helps




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Hi



I agree with Cliffer%26#39;s post. The direct train from Paris to Grenoble is 3hrs and cheap and efficient. sncf.com for booking tickets. The bus from Lyon to Grenoble is also recommendable. I live near Chamrousse and there is usually a fair amount of snow in Late March, but in mid April it starts to melt.



There are buses from downtown to Chamrousse and the Univ. that run frequently. The tram system also would help you get from downtown to the Univ. There is a variety of lodging close to the train station, or if you prefer to stay closer to the resorts, there are hotels in Uriage or right in Chamrousse.



Email me if you have more questions. nursears@hotmail.com




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Just back from skiing in Chamrousse in early April, excellent conditions and skiing, for half the price of some of the higher resorts. However, it%26#39;s worth checking snow and webcams before you go. If you are staying there, then I recommend the Auberge de Jeunesse in Chamrousse 1600. It%26#39;s about a two minute walk (under a pedestrian access tunnel) to one of the main access lifts. The hostel itself is clean and friendly and they serve indecent amounts of food.




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Report part 2 by nature woman

Once again, i am neither a city person or history fan and do not claim to know anything about paris other than my personal experience. After 2 days on the L%26#39;open bus, visiting Notre Dame, walking the Champs Elysees and checking out the shopping at le printemps and Galleries LaFayette(both within walking distance of hotel), my girls had purchased a scarf or two or tlhree and decided purchasing a prom dress would be too expensive(although they loved the Galleries Lafayette and i loved the stained glass on the inside) they stumbled into a store called Zaras right in the opera district they they found exciting and bought some jeans and shirts. monday night we walked to the cityrama office (5-10 minute walk) and boarded the bus to be transferred to the Eiffel Tower for our pre-booked dinner on the first level followed by a night trip down the Seine. The meal was mediocre at best but the view and not waiting in lines at the tower made it worth it. The Seine cruise that followed was great...full moon and twinkling tower and bridges. The bus returned us to the opera district. Tuesday was more walking, stopping by cafes(the weather was wonderful) conversing in my 30 year -old high school french with very nice french people and of course, with my girls checking out the stores. Tuesday afternoon we headed to Versailles on a bus with cityrama, getting headphones on the bus for the trip and a self-guided audio tour in the palace. Once again not having to wait in lines but Versailles was crowded, the Hall of Mirrors a disappointment, and the outside renovation kicking dust up everywhere so outside was not that nice. I was much more impressed with the Louvre on Wednesday. more later.




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naturewoman - thanks for your nice reports. I never tire of learning about other people%26#39;s experiences.



BTW you don%26#39;t have to start a new thread each time you want to put another chapter to your report, you could just continue the one you started, by adding a %26quot;reply to this post%26quot;.




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Paris arrival 7:30am 1st day.

Hi, we will arrive in Paris early in the morning, I figure by the time we get through customs, baggage claim and get to the hotel should be 9:30 am. I am not planning on sleeping, so my question is how would you spend your first dazed, zombie-like day in Paris?




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Store my luggage at hotel. Go to a cafe and have a coffee.



Wander around site closest to my hotel,,, have a leisurly lunch. Window shopping, pick up some brochures from hotel lobby to look at while having a drink at a cafe overlooking the Seine, or Notre Dame, or what ever site makes you think %26quot; WOW I am HERE!





Or, have a coffee , and then board one of those hop on and off buses( do a search on this site, many posts about them, a brainless and / but very relaxing way to be ushered around at your own pace , as you will be as you said in a %26quot;zombie like%26quot; state)





Alot depends on how long your stay is, if you are only in Paris for 3 or 4 days I wouldn%26#39;t waste too much time doing nothing, but, if I was there longer then 5 or 6 days I might just enjoy my first day doing nothing much, wandering around ,, eating ice creams, etc..




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At least an hour of reasonably brisk walking ASAP (or less of more strenuous exercise if you prefer) to get the blood circulating again and re-oxygenate it.



Re-hydrate. I don%26#39;t care how much water you drank on the plane. You are dehydrated. Trust me on this...



Get lots of fresh air, heaps and tons and scads of it. Don%26#39;t even think of going to an indoor museum even if it is blowing a gale and raining, sleeting, snowing and hailing all at once...



Don%26#39;t sit too much. You%26#39;ve spent too much of the last 15 hours sitting. Walk for a bit and rest for a short while then walk some more. pick an area that you really want to see and explore it. You may have to go back to see it properly but if it%26#39;s somewhere that isn%26#39;t a crashing bore for you, you won%26#39;t be quite so likely to turn into zombies.



Eat frequent but small and easily digested meals. The key here is to re-stabilize the blood-sugar level. if you haven%26#39;t eaten well on the plane have a good light meal ASAP and then eat every three or four hours until about 8:30 p.m. Go easy on both alcohol and caffeine.



Go back to your hotel in the mid/late afternoon. have a shower and change. if you feel you *must* have a nap, make it a short one.



Build the things you want to see into this framework. Don%26#39;t decide that you *must* do thus-and-so because you have it pre-programmed.



And get to bed at somewhere close to your normal hour, not early or late.





So anyway, that%26#39;s what is ideal for me. For you? Maybe this will work, maybe you%26#39;ll do better on some totally different regimen...




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When I get to my hotel it is usually after a long 28 hours trip including transfer and layovers and shuttle ride early in the am. I put out my luggage items that I will need then I take a shower.





I head to the nearest ATM machine. Then I go buy my metro tickets or pass. I head for a grocery for water etc. and fruit. I take all this back to the hotel room. I try to do this before I get a tired mind!





I always take ther metro or a bus to the Notre Dame area and walk around in the fresh air. I then decide where and what to have for lunch. I try to either do something that is not too tiring either a bus ride on #69 or the Seine River tour.





I usually have an early dinner and return to my room by 8:00 pm ish. I call to let hubby know I am ok. Then I need to hit the hay for the next day.




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Stay busy! Our first day looked like this (I%26#39;m lazy - this is a copy/paste from my trip report!):





Day 1 (Fri, 3/9):





We and our two friends (whom we travel with annually) arrived CDG around 8:45a, headed to our apartment (located 3 blocks from the Eiffel Tower), unpacked, and were out the door by noon, full of excitement as to what Paris had in store for us! It was cold, windy and drizzly, but who cares? We were in Paris after all – so what if it’s raining!?!





We started at the Point de l’Alma RER station where we purchased a carnet (10 rides). She spoke no English, we spoke very little French, and she was quite busy so this was not an easy purchase. We muddled our way through it nonetheless and hopped on the train for Ile de la Cite. The first order of business was lunch. We stopped at the Notre Dame Patisserie for lunch before crossing the Seine to the island. Suffice it to say our first dining experience was not our best dining experience, and I would not recommend this restaurant. Regardless, we were in Paris for goodness sake! So we ate our meal (food was good) and off we went.





First stop – Notre Dame. The place was magnificent and the architecture amazing! After seeing it in person I can understand why it took almost 200 years to build! There were small chapels all along the perimeter of the cathedral, each one as beautiful as the next. I was humbled by the fact that I was standing in a structure that was almost 900 yrs old!!! One of the great joys of Europe is care and pride around their old architecture. We don’t seem to quite understand that importance of that here in America, but I digress. It did feel awkward walking around talking photos of the perimeter while people were in the nave for mass, but everyone was doing it so I got over it and snapped away.





We left the cathedral and wandered both islands, stopping for café crème and Berthillon ice cream at La Brasserie de I’lle St. Louis where we were surprised by the 42 euro price tag for three café crèmes and four ice creams! By now the rain had stopped so, though chilly, it was nicer out. The treats were yummy and we were enjoying the view.





We wandered over to the Conciergerie and bought our 6-day museum passes (no queue!). From there we hopped the RER back to the apartment neighborhood where we did a bit of grocery shopping. That in and of itself was quite a fun experience! We bought some assorted meats and cheeses, stopped for a baguette, and headed back to the apartment for a light dinner. We forced ourselves to stay awake until 9p, then fell into bed for a good night’s sleep.




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Also if your flight is late it could be 10-10:30am, and also allow 20-30 min or so to check in. My flight was 1 hr late from Newark by the time we exited the plane. I would also suggest you pack a fresh set of clothes that you can access easily from your suitcase for a quick change at hotel or CDG. I think it helps wake you up if you feel at least somewhat refreshed.





Where are you staying? I would agree to stay close by so you can return easily to the hotel. We stayed in the 1st ARR, so we decided to just go to the Louvre. Although it was a lot of walking in the museum, the excitement kept us going without a problem. Followed it up with a early dinner and bed, and then started the next day bright and early.





T




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This has all been really helpful, thank you! I had planned on visiting ND and St. Ch the first day (I get in early as well) but may scratch the Orsay off my list as a first-day %26quot;do.%26quot; That might be too much!




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Hi --





I use the early part of that first day to locate the little shops I%26#39;ll need every day - where to get yogurt and cheese to supplement a continental breakfast at the hotel, the pharmacy/supermarket for the little odds and sods that may have been forgotten/too heavy to pack, the place I%26#39;ll buy wine for the cocktail hour, the shop with flowers so I can have fresh ones in my room, and etc.





Additionally, I begin my continuous survey to locate cafes, brasseries, or restaurants whose bills of fare interest me for dinner that evening.





I have to add that I%26#39;m not doing this in Paris, yet. I don%26#39;t fly into CDG except under pain of death or divorce. I fly into Amsterdam and spend a couple of nights there to get my act together after the 9.5 hours of flying, and then take a train to Paris (from downtown to downtown, no airport to ruin the day) and I arrive ready to get on with things.





In AMS I fly into Schipol, a much more pleasant experience than CDG, catch a train on the lowest level of the arrivals building that takes me into the Centraal Station for about 4 Euros, and I have the opportunity to get over my jet lag in a less expensive city which is safe and clean, has good food, and where almost everyone speaks English. It%26#39;s a great gateway to Europe.





I understand that I have more time than do most people, but you can all file this away for the days to come when you%26#39;re able to take an extra few days without incurring the risk of gross instability in your life, ie, getting fired.





Bon voyage.




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Thanks all of your replies, you guys are great. My thoughts like most of you are to go to the hotel (hotel Royal Opera, 8th I believe) get unpacked, a shower for sure and like you all mentioned take a walk to get to know my immediate area and stores I will need. I also thought of going to the Latin Quarter, thought that might me fun and funky to just aimlessly wander around. The idea of the red bus is an option, also the cruise along the seine! Of course there will be eating to be done, and yes as mentioned by someone light meals are the order for the day. Thank you all!




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Keep in mind your room may not be ready until the regular afternoon check-in time. Do you know what time that is? However, you can still check in and have the hotel hold your bags while you go out an sightsee.





Best chance to gain early access to room is to request it in advance, depending on availability. Email the hotel and inform them what time you plan to arrive, and request early check-in if available. Then they will know to try to have it ready for you. If none availabe when you arrive, they will know to clean it ASAP.





T




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Eurail Pass Necessary?

Help please! Is it necessary to purchase a Eurail Pass (which my husband and I already have) to take the train from Paris to Darmstadt (Germany) and then to Munich? I am confused about the requirements. Is it possible to just buy point-to-point tickets without a Eurail Pass? We plan on making reservations, but don%26#39;t know if it is necessary to have the Eurail Pass to do so.





Also, I just read on Rick Steves that one must be under 26 (which we are not) in order to buy 2nd class tickets. We already bought 2nd class Eurail Passes.





Any insights would be greatly appreciated--thank you!!




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A Eurail pass is mostly good for travelling on a train for more than two days. For example, if you are just buying a round trip ticket, the eurail pass is not usually the cheapest option. You might want to look at sncf.com and check the price for paris - munich. Normally you should be able to stop in darmstadt and continue on to munich a day or two later (but i haven%26#39;t done this recently so you should check).





Eurail pass offers youth passes, which are 2nd class passes for travellers under 26 on the first day of travel, or adult passes which are good for first class travel (you can ride in 2nd class too). Those rules apply to a multi-country eurail pass. Passes for individual countries or other combinations, might be different. You can get all the info you need on raileurope.com (but the train ticket rates you find there for buying individual ticket -- e.g. without a rail pass -- will be much more expensive than if you buy the ticket locally when you arrive.




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%26gt;%26gt; Is it possible to just buy point-to-point tickets without a Eurail Pass?



So you mean millions and millions of Europeans all buy Eurail Pass(similar to the idea of a monthly/weekly ticket) to do their travel? Anyone can buy point-to-point tickets



%26gt;%26gt; Also, I just read on Rick Steves that one must be under 26 (which we are not) in order to buy 2nd class tickets. We already bought 2nd class Eurail Passes.



Either you read it wrong, or HE%26#39;s wrong. Anyone can buy 2nd class tickets.



However, you need to be under 26 to USE Eurail Passes, so basically you threw couple hundred dollars away. But I think they do issue refunds for unused passes.




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Oops...



%26quot;you need to be under 26 to USE **2nd CLASS** Eurail Passes%26quot;




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Thank you for your help. Appreciate your time.




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1 Day in Nice - What to do?

We will unfortunately only have a little over 1 day in Nice, on transit, so can anyone suggest the best options to take in, in such a little time. We are arriving in a hire car, (flying out) so should we ditch the car straight away - should be have a look at Monaco also. Thank you LS




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Hi Gblyn,





For such a short period of time, I would definitely stick to Nice, doing the market on the Cours Saleya in the morning, taking a walk or elevator to the top of the chateau for some breathtaking views of all of Nice and the sea, in a park like setting, then strolling thru the old town, with its quaint little alleys, and squares, have a drink at a people watching cafe, and then dinner at one of the many provencal restauranrts there as well. On such a limited time frame, Monaco just isn%26#39;t worth the effort. Just relax and enjoy!




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Funkster,



For some reason I thought the Flower market was in Old Town. Is that incorrect?




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I agree with funkster1 and would recommend sticking to Nice. I could wander around Vieux Nice for hours...




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There are musts like walking on the Promenade des Anglais , both looking at the sea, the beach and the hotels.





The Old Town and the Cours Saléya: Start from Place Masséna and walk towards the Promenade on Rue de l’Opéra. Make a left on Rue St-Francois-de-Paule, check the boutiques but don’t buy there (touristy prices way too high). Walk straight ahead to the Marché aux Fleurs (Cours Saléya). There is a market every day except Mondays. Walk to the end of the market and you get to the Chapelle du St-Suaire. Make a left on J” Gilly street . It ends on Rue de la Préfecture. Make a left there and walk until you reach Rue Ste-Réparate. Make a right and you will see the Cathedral Ste-Réparate and get on Place Rossetti. Very typical (look at the warmth of colours if you are there 1hr or 2 before sunset). A left on Rue Rossetti until you reach Rue Droite. Make a left on Rue Droite and walk to its end. Stop by Palais Lascaris (free visit) and some nice artist shops (check Christian Dury’s gallerie =%26gt; he puts typical Nice things in Plexiglas frames). Rue Droite falls into Rue St-François the in Rue Pairolière. Both typical Old Nice streets with locals shops, food store, fish and meat stores, etc. Open your eyesand your ears and take a deep breath. Now you see the real thing. You get to the Place Garibaldi. Time for lunch. Help yourself, there are plenty nice spots at cheap prices.





From Place Garibaldi keep your right and stay on Rue Catherine Ségurane from where you will get a road that brings you up the Castle Hill (Colline du Chateau). Walk up to its top and have a look at the whole area (the Port, the beaches, the town). Stop by the Cemetery on your way down and wak to the Port. Look at the small fishermen boats on Quai des Deux Emmanuel. And walk back to town circling the Castle Hill by walking on the sea side to reach back Promenade des Anglais.





That one should take not far from a day long, especially if you stop often at boutiques or for an ice cream cone…




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Thank you kindly for taking the time to offer your suggestions. I only wish we had more time, but maybe next time. I will let you know how our visit goes on return. LS




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Thanks , Now I see the flower market on my map.




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